Legislature(2005 - 2006)

03/21/2005 02:33 PM Senate HES


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02:33:41 PM Start
02:34:28 PM SB74
03:30:22 PM Adjourn
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2:34:28 PM                                                                                                                    
          SB 74-CRIMES INVOLVING MARIJUANA/OTHER DRUGS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced SB 74 to be up for consideration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  GUANELI, Chief  Assistant Attorney  General, Department  of                                                               
Law (DOL), said  that marijuana is illegal under  federal law and                                                               
in  every other  state in  the country  except medical  marijuana                                                               
states.  Alaska  is  unique  in that  the  court  determined  its                                                               
marijuana  statute. Recently  the  Alaska  appellate court  ruled                                                               
that  Alaskans could  possess  four ounces  of  marijuana in  the                                                               
home.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:37:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. GUANELI  said he asked  the Alaska Supreme Court  to consider                                                               
new scientific  evidence on  marijuana, but  it refused.  He said                                                               
that the  potency of marijuana  is much  higher that it  was when                                                               
the Ravin decision  was issued [in 1975] and the  patterns of its                                                               
use have also changed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
One does not  think clearly when smoking  marijuana and juveniles                                                               
are much more likely to  commit violence when under the influence                                                               
of  marijuana.  Studies show  that  Native  rural residents  with                                                               
preschool  children use  marijuana  at three  times the  national                                                               
average. Studies also  show if parents approve  of marijuana use,                                                               
the odds of their children using it are greater.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR  OLSON asked  if one  of his  points was  saying that  93                                                               
percent of Alaskan prisoners are  currently using marijuana while                                                               
they are incarcerated.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI explained  that he  meant that  93 percent  had used                                                               
marijuana in the past.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  ELTON asked  whether it  was true  that nationally  more                                                               
teens are in treatment for  marijuana dependence than for alcohol                                                               
and all other  illegal drugs combined and whether it  was true of                                                               
Alaskan teens. He  had not heard that in his  community and other                                                               
communities he had traveled to.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI   replied  that  he   knew  that  figure   was  true                                                               
nationally,  but he  didn't know  about  Alaska specifically.  He                                                               
deferred  the  answer to  Kristi  Willard  from the  Division  of                                                               
Behavioral Health.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:50:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  ELTON asked  if it  was really  true that  marijuana was                                                               
comparable to alcohol in contributing to traffic accidents.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. GUANELI  replied studies  show that  marijuana is  the second                                                               
leading substance of  abuse by drivers, not  involving alcohol as                                                               
well.  Cocaine  and methamphetamine  use  get  a lot  more  media                                                               
attention. Some  of the  statistics that  have been  developed in                                                               
Alaska  have not  been  greatly publicized  and  he thought  that                                                               
meant the public  is sticking its head in the  sand when it comes                                                               
to marijuana. "And I think it's time to change that."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DYSON  asked  the difference  between  Schedule  1A  and                                                               
Schedule 2 drugs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI  advised  that  Schedule   1A  drugs  are  generally                                                               
opiates. The  "A" stands  for Alaska.  Schedule 2A  drugs include                                                               
cocaine, LSD,  methamphetamine, and  drugs of that  sort, because                                                               
they are  considered to  be less addictive,  but when  abused are                                                               
very bad. Schedule 3A drugs  involve more prescription-type drugs                                                               
including Valium.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:01:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN AL STOREY, Alaska State  Troopers, said that the schedule                                                               
of drugs  is based on  the degree  of addiction and  marijuana is                                                               
currently scheduled  as a  6A drug.  It is  a federal  Schedule 1                                                               
drug.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked  whether SB 74 would make  marijuana a Schedule                                                               
1 drug.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI replied no. It would  remain a Schedule 6 drug. SB 74                                                               
also makes no change to the  medical marijuana law that is on the                                                               
books, but it asks the Legislature  to adopt a number of findings                                                               
about  marijuana  like  what  amount draws  the  line  between  a                                                               
misdemeanor  and a  felony; it  also adopts  some laws  regarding                                                               
having  marijuana in  cars  and changes  the  way live  marijuana                                                               
plants are measured and quantified.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:03:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON said he wanted  information on the difference between                                                               
Schedule 3, 4 and 5 drugs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  STOREY said  he has  spent  18 of  his 25  years in  the                                                               
department  in drug  enforcement. A  lot  of effort  is spent  on                                                               
doing  marijuana  eradication  especially in  Mat-Su  and  around                                                               
Fairbanks, but court  decisions have taken the energy  out of his                                                               
efforts.   The  standard that  is required  to do  marijuana-type                                                               
investigations  is  substantially  higher   than  for  any  other                                                               
criminal offence. He  has heard that many youths  in rural Alaska                                                               
now smoke dope and that is what  fuels his passion to talk to the                                                               
Legislature  about   it.  Eradication  efforts  in   Alaska  have                                                               
substantially decreased.   One  reason is that  meth labs  are on                                                               
the  rise, another  reason is  that case  law coming  out of  the                                                               
court   of  appeals   is  making   it   harder  to   investigate.                                                               
Consequently, a large amount of marijuana is being produced.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  commented that the  stuff that is  bring distributed                                                               
to our remote communities is largely homegrown.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  STOREY   agreed  that  Alaska  is   self  sufficient  in                                                               
marijuana production.   In 1982, large amounts  of marijuana were                                                               
coming from  other areas. It is  now the number one  case crop in                                                               
Alaska and a lot of it is shipped to other areas - even Hawaii.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked how does Alaskan marijuana gets shipped out.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY  replied that he believes  there are sophisticated                                                               
distribution networks in Alaska that are  not easy to find. It is                                                               
shipped in  the U.S. mail; it  is shipped in suitcases  to Hawaii                                                               
and recently to Bush villages.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:10:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN STOREY  said that  many people grow  six to  eight plants                                                               
from seed, but  some are cloned, a  more sophisticated procedure.                                                               
That is why  the THC content has  gone from 2 percent  in 1975 to                                                               
an average of 14 percent in  Alaska.  For many years, Alaska held                                                               
the  national high  for THC  content at  29 percent.   It  is not                                                               
uncommon  to find  marijuana  in the  16-17  percent THC  content                                                               
range. Growing strong marijuana  is difficult and requires proper                                                               
equipment  such   as  lighting  and  temperature   control.  Buds                                                               
typically have the high content.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked what THC is.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY replied  that tetra hydra canabinol or  THC is the                                                               
active ingredient in  marijuana. He said a pound of  good dope in                                                               
the  Anchorage  areas costs  typically  about  $4,000. The  price                                                               
increases as you  move farther from the production  source and in                                                               
Nome and Unalakleet it is about $9,000.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked the  price of a  marijuana cigarette  in rural                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY  advised that it can  cost as much as  $20. A gram                                                               
of marijuana in a village commonly goes for about $50.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said he has heard  that girls in the  Anchorage area                                                               
trade  services for  marijuana and  asked whether  that was  also                                                               
true in rural Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY replied yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:19:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN STOREY said his experience is  that it is not uncommon to                                                               
see  people   smoking  dope  when   they  are  driving   and  the                                                               
implications of driving under the  influence are strong, but it's                                                               
hard to develop a probable cause to  get a blood or urine test to                                                               
detect THC even in obviously impaired  drivers.  A fair number of                                                               
vehicle  accidents happen  where people  leave the  scene for  an                                                               
unexplained reason  and a recent  study shows that 60  percent of                                                               
these accidents are due to  people who fall asleep. He speculated                                                               
that marijuana could be contributing to this sleepiness.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:23:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN  STOREY drew  attention to  a monitoring  program run  by                                                               
University of  Alaska, Anchorage  of people who  were interviewed                                                               
about  their drug  usage  when being  taken  into custody.  Those                                                               
interviews were followed up with  urine samples.  Fifty-two and a                                                               
half percent  of all the  male arrestees in Anchorage  during the                                                               
course of the program tested  positive for marijuana. He wondered                                                               
if they  were arrested because marijuana  affected their decision                                                               
to  do something  that caused  them to  get arrested.  He related                                                               
that 69  percent of  Anchorage arrestees  for domestic  abuse had                                                               
marijuana in  their system.  He  thought it was fair  to say that                                                               
marijuana  contributed  to  their  actions  by  distorting  their                                                               
thinking.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:25:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  ELTON  asked  how  long the  presence  of  marijuana  is                                                               
detectible.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY  replied that it  depends on the test.  Some tests                                                               
are designed  simply to detect  marijuana, not measure  how much.                                                               
The military uses that kind of  sample, but there are other types                                                               
of tests.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON reasoned  that the  UAA tests  in Anchorage  could                                                               
have been detecting marijuana use from the distant past.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY agreed that was possible.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked him what  his credentials were  to interpret                                                               
these studies.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  STOREY replied  that  he has  been  in drug  enforcement                                                               
since 1982  and had attended narcotics  school.  He also  spent a                                                               
fair amount of time studying drugs during his advocacy.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:29:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR OLSON said he assumed that he was not a physician.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY replied that was correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said SB 74 would  be held in committee.  There being                                                               
no further business, he adjourned the meeting at 3:30:22 PM.                                                                  

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